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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:50 pm 
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onemen,
i'm pretty sure this will effect TMP. Do you have any plans for the future of it?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:52 pm 
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https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2015/08 ... x-add-ons/


I am hoping this doesn't affect TMP much in any way or might you have to redo the whole extension? They're already forcing verified signed extensions on v42. Whole reason for using Fx was its functionality and customizable field. If its basically turning into Chrome, what use is Fx then?


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 Post subject: Re: The future of TMP?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:43 pm 
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I'm constantly refactor Tabmix to match Firefox changes

Tabmix already support Firefox Electrolysis and it is validated and signed by AMO.

I will have to read more about the other new changes WebExtensions and the deprecation of XPCOM- and XUL-based add-ons

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 Post subject: Re: The future of TMP?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:17 pm 
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Thanks, keep us posted. I have no reason using Fx w/out TMP and a couple of other exts. I already use Vivaldi along side and will switch to it permanently if/when they'll kill my exts. The good thing is that exts. might be cross-compatible. If/when Fx exts. developers will quit, there will be others who will write exts. based on those changes. Hopefully there will be one like TMP ... or maybe you will be interested and willing to write one
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https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebExtensions :

Mozilla wrote:
We plan to add our own APIs based on the needs of existing Firefox add-ons.

NoScript-type functionality. This would come in the form of extensions to webRequest and possibly contentSettings.
Sidebars. Opera already supports sidebar functionality; Chrome may soon. We would like to be able to implement Tree Style Tabs or Vertical Tabs by hiding the tab strip and showing a tab sidebar.
Toolbars. Firefox has a lot of existing toolbar add-ons.
Better keyboard shortcut support. We'd like to support Vimperator-type functionality.
Ability to add tabs to about:addons.
Ability to modify the tab strip (Tab Mix Plus).
Ability to take images of frames/tabs (like canvas.drawWindow)

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 Post subject: Re: The future of TMP?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:40 pm 
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This change concerns me greatly.

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Last edited by makondo on Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
deleted all about Mozilla decission. Not the right place to discuss it.


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 Post subject: Re: The future of TMP?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:16 pm 
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Looks like TMP has a chance with the WebExtensions in the future.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:20 pm 
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most likely i will have to rewrite most of the code again

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 Post subject: Re: The future of TMP?
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Maybe it will be easier [code wise] (like i know what i'm talking about! Image ).
I'm just glad to see they actually care (or pretend to). Maybe you should share your thoughts there since they're asking for input.

I think you can drop the styling (display), especially since it might not be possible at all if they drop xul anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: The future of TMP?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:15 am 
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To refresh that topic here: What is with the future of TMP in November 2017?
Why?
* https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2017/01 ... irefox-53/
* https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11 ... s-in-2017/
I found out about this here: http://fasezero.com/lastnotice.html

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By the end of 2017, and with the release of Firefox 57, we’ll move to WebExtensions exclusively, and will stop loading any other extension types on desktop. To help ensure any new extensions work beyond the end of 2017, AMO will stop accepting any new extensions for signing that are not WebExtensions in Firefox 53. Throughout the year we’ll expand the set of APIs available, add capabilities to Firefox that don’t yet exist in other browsers, and put more WebExtensions in front of users.


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 Post subject: Re: The future of TMP?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:41 pm 
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That's what we're talking about above. As onemen said:
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most likely i will have to rewrite most of the code again

Will he? Will he not? I'd say he'll post it when he makes a decision. Sit back and wait unless you have a new TMP WebExt version ready ... i'm sure he'll take a look Image

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 Post subject: Re: The future of TMP?
PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 5:35 pm 
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Fx57 is right around the corner and i'm sure many of you wonder what will happen to our favorite extension. To avoid more questions about it for now here's what onemen said in one of threads here:
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I'm not going to add any improvement to Tab mix until i will convert all the code to work as Webextension
Current progress at the moment 0%


So, we'll have to wait and see.
Good Luck, everybody!

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 Post subject: Re: The future of TMP?
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Thanks for the fast reply. I understand and was not familiar with the direction of Firefox and TMP.

Just to be clear, I am not complaining in any way and have been a huge fan of TMP for years. My suggestion was intended to be my small contribution to possibly making it better.

Long live TMP!


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 Post subject: Re: The future of TMP?
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Don't really think this add-on has any future. Most of Mozilla's promises were empty lies meant for damage control. They've consistently refused to add any functionality (such as the ability to modify user-interface elements, with the fear-uncertainty-doubt propaganda of it being "insecure" to do so) which deviates from parity with Google Chrome (in part due to the excessive maintenance cost that will occur for Mozilla), for the so-called benefit of the developer, to make code portable between all browsers, which now all use WebExtensions, which we can not escape.

The only possibility to get this functionality is to become a Mozilla browser developer and try to implement it either as an internal "quasi" add-on (several come pre-installed) which may be able to run code outside of WebExtensions, or perhaps as actual C/C++/Rust code (or whatever language is used this week/month/year/etc).

TMP is without any doubt the single most useful add-on from a user-interface perspective. The ability for relatively amateur programmers to prototype UI design in the complex browser without actually trying to compile the browser and modify the more difficult languages used, was one of the strongest points in favor of Mozilla. That is goner, and now we just have a mélange of browsers that behave in a similar manner, but each with their own quirks of implementation of WebExtensions.


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 Post subject: Re: The future of TMP?
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Since toolbar API is nowhere near ready but userchrome.css will likely still work in Firefox 57+ I would like to ask how Tab Mix Plus implements multirow tab bar: using .css tweaks or by other means? In other words, will it be possible to implement Tab Mix Plus multirow tab bar in Firefox 57+ using .css tweaks (in userchrome.css or WebExtension)?


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 Post subject: Re: The future of TMP?
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As all of us, I am greatly concerned, about the future of tabmixplus.
But I just wanted to express my sincere and heartfelt thanks for everything onemen and tabmixplus has accomplished till now.

Even, if there is no way, to get tabmixplus running with webextensions, I just might make my future browser choice dependent on the support of tabmixplus features.

Currently the alternatives, that might support it seem to be vanishing (or have already vanished).
But I wanted to have you guys know, that if there is other platforms, that might need less adaptions to make and seem worth a shot: I am with you guys.

I prefer having a browser with TMP features, before I consider staying with a FF without TMP.


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